MEMORANDUM OF INSTRUCTION
1 July 2016
MEMORANDUM FOR Junior ROTC Students and Parents
SUBJECT: Memorandum of Instruction (MOI) for Cadet Responsibilities and Expectations
1. PURPOSE. The purpose of this MOI is to establish responsibilities and expectations for the students participating in the Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) at Putnam City West High School. The JROTC program is sponsored by the U.S. Army Cadet Command and is designed to encourage students (cadets) to develop citizenship, leadership, and physical fitness skills to make them successful throughout their high school experience as well as the rest of their lives. The mission of Army JROTC is “To motivate young people to be better citizens.”
2. GRADES. There will be at least 2 grades per week throughout most of the school year; one for the uniform inspection and one for attendance and participation. Nine weeks and semester tests will be given at the end of the given period and will be counted into the final semester grade. Periodic quizzes may be given if it appears that the students are not applying themselves during the school year. The final semester grade is divided by percentage among the possible input variables in the following ratio: Attendance and Participation - 35%, Uniform Inspection - 35%, Semester test - 20% (School District requirement), and nine weeks test and quizzes - 10%.
a. Attendance and Participation are mandatory and will result in a weekly grade on a 100 point scale. Each day of a normal week, a cadet can earn up to 20 points based on their attendance, adherence to rules, participation, and behavior (See Enclosure 1 – Calculation Rubric). For short weeks, the daily grades will be averaged together to come up with a grade on the 100 point scale. If a cadet is present every day, does what is asked of them, and does not act inappropriately, they will receive the maximum score of 20 points per day and 100 points per week. Excused absences will be graded as present. For an absence to be excused, a parent or guardian must make the appropriate notification to the school so that the absence is marked in PowerSchool as excused. Unexcused absences or students who are suspended from school will result in a grade of zero for that day. Cadets that are in ISR will be given class work for JROTC. They will receive a minimum grade dependent on their completion of that work. Bonus points can be earned, up to 5 points per week, for extracurricular activities and administrative assistance to the instructors. This grade will count as 35 percent of each cadet’s final semester grade.
b. During the first two weeks of school, cadets will be fitted for and issued JROTC uniforms. They will be instructed on the wear and care of the uniform items. Each Thursday that the cadets are in school, they will be required to wear the uniform. There will be an in-ranks inspection conducted by the instructors or the cadet leadership. Each cadet starts with a score of 100 points on the uniform inspection. Deductions will be taken for the appropriate uniform items and accessories, proper wear and maintenance, hair length and style, personal hygiene, overall appearance, and cadet knowledge. The uniform and appearance standards will be based on the most current versions of U.S. Army Regulation 670-1 (AR 670-1) and Department of the Army Pamphlet 670-1 (DA Pam 670-1). Hair standards will be somewhat relaxed from the Army Standard, but cadets will always be reminded of the actual standard. Cadets will not be ordered to cut their hair, but they will lose points on the inspection for not being within the regulation. This grade will count as 35 percent of each cadet’s final semester grade.
1) Missed uniform inspections must be made up in a timely manner. If the cadet misses the uniform inspection due to an excused absence or a school sanctioned function, the cadet will be given until the next uniform inspection to make up the missed inspection without penalty. If the cadet misses more than one day, excused, due to illness or other circumstance, the instructors will work with the cadet to give them an appropriate amount of time to make up the inspection. If the cadet does not make up the inspection within the next week, or the time allowed by the instructors, the cadet will begin losing 10 points per week, up to 3 weeks or 30 points, until the uniform inspection is made up. After the designated 3 week period, the grade for that uniform inspection will be a zero. If a cadet misses a uniform inspection due to an unexcused absence or suspension, or a cadet fails to wear their uniform on the specified day, the cadet will lose 10 points immediately from that inspection grade. If the cadet makes up the missed uniform inspection within a week, they will get a maximum of 90 points for that inspection. The cadet will lose an additional 10 points per week, up to 3 weeks or 30 points, for that inspection until it is made up. If the cadet does not make up the inspection within 3 weeks they will receive a zero for that inspection.
2) Some cadets will receive a complete Class A Army Service Uniform with all required accessories. Everyone will receive at least the complete Class B Army Service Uniform with required accessories. This uniform will be worn on each Thursday unless instructed to wear it on a different day. The uniform is to be worn throughout the entire day, unless previous arrangements have been made with the instructors to change for a special circumstance. The cadets represent the Army and JROTC program and should conduct themselves accordingly. Cadets will be allowed to change out of the uniform for PE or athletic classes, or classes that could soil the uniform. For most of the school year, the required uniform will be the Class B uniform. The Class A uniform will be used for more formal events such as color guard or other special occasions.
3) Each cadet will be issued a Physical Training (PT) uniform. Each Friday that we are in school, the cadets will be required to wear the PT uniform and participate in PT activities. The wear of the PT uniform on PT days is evaluated as part of their participation for that day.
4) Other uniforms may be issued to the cadets as they become available and necessary. Their purpose and use will be specified at the time of issue.
5) Care and maintenance of all uniforms is the responsibility of the cadet. If any uniform is damaged or lost through willful acts or neglect on the part of the cadet, the cadet may be responsible for the cost to replace the uniform. All uniforms are expected to be turned in at the end of the school year or if the cadet leaves the programs prior to the end of the year. Cadets and their parents will be responsible for the cost of any uniform item that is not turned in on time.
c. A semester test will be given at the end of each semester. The test will cover a variety of all the material learned during the semester. The test will be primarily multiple-choice with the possibility of matching items, such as rank insignias. The semester test will be on a 25 to 50 point scale and will count as 20 percent of the cadet’s final semester grade. The Putnam City School District requires every class to have a final semester test that is 20 percent of the final semester grade for each student.
d. A nine weeks test will be given at the end of the first half of the semester. It will cover a variety of the material learned during the first nine weeks. It will be primarily multiple-choice and will be between 10 and 25 questions. It will count as 10 percent of the final semester grade. Periodic quizzes may be administered to check the cadets’ knowledge during the semester. These quizzes will be 5 to 10 questions about specific segments of the curriculum. The quizzes will never be worth more than 10 points and will be combined with the nine weeks test to count as 10 percent of the cadet’s final semester grade.
3. PHYSICAL TRAINING. Cadets will be expected to participate in physical training each Friday they are in school. Cadets will never be asked to do anything that they are not medically or physically capable of doing. They will be asked to challenge themselves and achieve more than they have before. Each week the physical training will consist of warm up and stretching exercises and either a physical assessment, a team sport, circuit training (with or without weights), or an obstacle course. At least once during each nine weeks, the cadets will be assessed on their physical conditioning using the Cadet Challenge. The Cadet Challenge is a series of 5 events that test strength, flexibility, speed, and endurance. There are different scoring tables based on gender and age. Cadets will be encouraged to do their best and will only be compared to their own previous performances. Cadets will become familiar with different physical fitness activities and techniques that they can use for the rest of their lives.
4. AWARDS AND RECOGNITION. Cadets will have many opportunities to earn awards and other forms of recognition.
a. Awards. Throughout the school year, cadets will have the opportunity to earn JROTC awards. Most of these awards are ribbons that are worn on the Class A and Class B uniforms. Some of these awards are earned for specific events or a series of events. Some others are earned for performance over a period of time. There are several that are sponsored by outside organizations, such as the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), etc. Some of the awards are badges, such as marksmanship badges. These badges can only be earned through achieving a specified score in an official marksmanship competition with one or more other schools. Some awards are shoulder cords of various colors that represent membership on a competitive team, such as color guard or drill teams. The cords are earned through competition with one or more other schools. All of these awards are provided to the cadet by the Army or by the outside organization.
b. Rank. Cadets start the program with no rank. During a cadet’s first year in the JROTC program, they will most often be promoted based on achieving a minimum of 70 percent on their nine weeks and semester tests. Infrequently, a cadet may show leadership or other positive attributes that earn them a promotion to a higher rank in addition to that received due to their knowledge of the curriculum, especially if there is a need to fill a leadership position. After the first year, cadets are promoted to higher ranks based on their knowledge, ability, and willingness to perform at a higher level. The instructors will make the promotions, but will use feedback from the cadet chain of command to aid in this decision. Cadets may be demoted if they fail to maintain a “C” in all of their classes or if they fail to uphold the standards of the program and the school district.
c. Other forms of recognition. Cadets will often be highlighted in the daily announcements at the school due to performance at a specific event. Some cadets may be recognized by school public relations personnel and local media. Cadets will not be specified by name in these notices without specific written consent from a parent or guardian. Cadets may be given letters of recommendation by the instructors for employment, college acceptance or college scholarship applications.
5. EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. There are many opportunities for cadets to participate in extracurricular activities. The majority of these require the cadets to participate and/or practice either before or after school or on Saturday. Some of these activities include: marksmanship, color guard, drill teams (armed and unarmed), saber teams, spirit squad, academic teams, fundraising, community service, and staff assignments.
a. Marksmanship matches may be part of a larger competitive event or may be a stand-alone event with one or more other schools. These will often either be on Saturday or after school on a school day. Sometimes they may be scheduled during the school day if no other alternative can be found. The marksmanship program utilizes carbon dioxide (CO2) or compressed air powered, .177 caliber air rifles, provided by the Army. The school has graciously provided a dedicated space for our program to use as a firing range for the air rifles. There is a dedicated marksmanship class that began with the fall semester of 2015. A limited number of cadets who complete the first year of the program, and show an aptitude for it, may be invited to enroll in that class if it fits into their schedule. Other cadets who show an aptitude for marksmanship will be allowed to practice before or after school on certain days of each week. Even with the dedicated marksmanship class, cadets must practice before or after school, once or twice a week, to be competitive.
b. Marksmanship, color guard, drill, and academic team competitions will most often be scheduled on Saturdays. To be competitive, cadets must practice before and/or after school. There are normally 2 of these competitions in the fall, one in Wichita Falls, TX and one in Lawton, OK. There are normally two of these in the spring, one in Oklahoma City and one in Tulsa. These can be an all-day event with multiple different competitions going on throughout the day.
c. Color guard and saber guard may be performed at home football and basketball games or at other events in the metro OKC area. There could be 30 or more of these each school year. Some of these events allow the cadets to participate in the supported event and interact with other organizations, such as the school board, college ROTC cadets and instructors, athletic activities and other organizations.
d. Fundraising. The JROTC program will conduct at least one fundraising event during each semester. All cadets are encouraged to participate, but no one is required to participate. Events will vary and cadet involvement in the choice of a fundraising event is encouraged and welcome. The primary purpose for all fundraising events is to pay for all of the expenses of a formal Awards Banquet for the JROTC program. The banquet serves 2 main purposes: one is to give the cadets the experience of planning, organizing and participating in a formal military dinner, and the other is to recognize the cadets for everything that they do during the school year. The Awards Banquet will normally be held in the spring and could include a dance afterwards. The cadets will be allowed to invite guests to include family, friends and significant others.
e. Community Service. The JROTC program will participate in at least one community service project each school year. All cadets are encouraged to participate in the planning and conduct of these events, but no one is required to participate outside of school hours. There are hundreds of possible organizations and activities that the cadets could work with to positively impact the community that our school serves. Parent involvement is also encouraged and welcome in the planning and conduct of these events.
6. DISCIPLINE. The Army JROTC program is not a discipline program for the school or the school district. The instructors work closely with the principal and other administrators and teachers in ensuring that the school and everyone in it act appropriately. There are times when cadets are not following the rules of the JROTC program. As long as those rules are not in conflict with the school or district rules, the instructors and the cadet chain of command will use some disciplinary measures to correct inappropriate behavior. District and school rules and regulations take precedence over the JROTC rules and regulations regarding cadet discipline. Cadets that are acting in a manner that is unbecoming of the U.S. Army will be counselled, and may be reduced in rank or asked to transfer to another elective class if the behavior is serious or continues uncorrected.
7. INSTRUCTORS. Our Army JROTC program has two instructors. Senior Army Instructor (SAI) is Lieutenant Colonel (Retired) Jimmy Thomas, [email protected], 405-787-1140, extension 2462. Army Instructor (AI) is Command Sergeant Major (Retired) Clint Anderson, [email protected], 405-787-1140, extension 2363. You may contact us at any time to ask questions or give us feedback on our program. We don’t sit at our desks much, so e-mail is the best way to reach us. We will be happy to call you to discuss any questions or concerns you have. We would also like to get a group of dedicated parents together to form a JROTC Booster Club in the near future. E-mail me if you are interested and I will give you more details.
MEMORANDUM FOR Junior ROTC Students and Parents
SUBJECT: Memorandum of Instruction (MOI) for Cadet Responsibilities and Expectations
1. PURPOSE. The purpose of this MOI is to establish responsibilities and expectations for the students participating in the Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC) at Putnam City West High School. The JROTC program is sponsored by the U.S. Army Cadet Command and is designed to encourage students (cadets) to develop citizenship, leadership, and physical fitness skills to make them successful throughout their high school experience as well as the rest of their lives. The mission of Army JROTC is “To motivate young people to be better citizens.”
2. GRADES. There will be at least 2 grades per week throughout most of the school year; one for the uniform inspection and one for attendance and participation. Nine weeks and semester tests will be given at the end of the given period and will be counted into the final semester grade. Periodic quizzes may be given if it appears that the students are not applying themselves during the school year. The final semester grade is divided by percentage among the possible input variables in the following ratio: Attendance and Participation - 35%, Uniform Inspection - 35%, Semester test - 20% (School District requirement), and nine weeks test and quizzes - 10%.
a. Attendance and Participation are mandatory and will result in a weekly grade on a 100 point scale. Each day of a normal week, a cadet can earn up to 20 points based on their attendance, adherence to rules, participation, and behavior (See Enclosure 1 – Calculation Rubric). For short weeks, the daily grades will be averaged together to come up with a grade on the 100 point scale. If a cadet is present every day, does what is asked of them, and does not act inappropriately, they will receive the maximum score of 20 points per day and 100 points per week. Excused absences will be graded as present. For an absence to be excused, a parent or guardian must make the appropriate notification to the school so that the absence is marked in PowerSchool as excused. Unexcused absences or students who are suspended from school will result in a grade of zero for that day. Cadets that are in ISR will be given class work for JROTC. They will receive a minimum grade dependent on their completion of that work. Bonus points can be earned, up to 5 points per week, for extracurricular activities and administrative assistance to the instructors. This grade will count as 35 percent of each cadet’s final semester grade.
b. During the first two weeks of school, cadets will be fitted for and issued JROTC uniforms. They will be instructed on the wear and care of the uniform items. Each Thursday that the cadets are in school, they will be required to wear the uniform. There will be an in-ranks inspection conducted by the instructors or the cadet leadership. Each cadet starts with a score of 100 points on the uniform inspection. Deductions will be taken for the appropriate uniform items and accessories, proper wear and maintenance, hair length and style, personal hygiene, overall appearance, and cadet knowledge. The uniform and appearance standards will be based on the most current versions of U.S. Army Regulation 670-1 (AR 670-1) and Department of the Army Pamphlet 670-1 (DA Pam 670-1). Hair standards will be somewhat relaxed from the Army Standard, but cadets will always be reminded of the actual standard. Cadets will not be ordered to cut their hair, but they will lose points on the inspection for not being within the regulation. This grade will count as 35 percent of each cadet’s final semester grade.
1) Missed uniform inspections must be made up in a timely manner. If the cadet misses the uniform inspection due to an excused absence or a school sanctioned function, the cadet will be given until the next uniform inspection to make up the missed inspection without penalty. If the cadet misses more than one day, excused, due to illness or other circumstance, the instructors will work with the cadet to give them an appropriate amount of time to make up the inspection. If the cadet does not make up the inspection within the next week, or the time allowed by the instructors, the cadet will begin losing 10 points per week, up to 3 weeks or 30 points, until the uniform inspection is made up. After the designated 3 week period, the grade for that uniform inspection will be a zero. If a cadet misses a uniform inspection due to an unexcused absence or suspension, or a cadet fails to wear their uniform on the specified day, the cadet will lose 10 points immediately from that inspection grade. If the cadet makes up the missed uniform inspection within a week, they will get a maximum of 90 points for that inspection. The cadet will lose an additional 10 points per week, up to 3 weeks or 30 points, for that inspection until it is made up. If the cadet does not make up the inspection within 3 weeks they will receive a zero for that inspection.
2) Some cadets will receive a complete Class A Army Service Uniform with all required accessories. Everyone will receive at least the complete Class B Army Service Uniform with required accessories. This uniform will be worn on each Thursday unless instructed to wear it on a different day. The uniform is to be worn throughout the entire day, unless previous arrangements have been made with the instructors to change for a special circumstance. The cadets represent the Army and JROTC program and should conduct themselves accordingly. Cadets will be allowed to change out of the uniform for PE or athletic classes, or classes that could soil the uniform. For most of the school year, the required uniform will be the Class B uniform. The Class A uniform will be used for more formal events such as color guard or other special occasions.
3) Each cadet will be issued a Physical Training (PT) uniform. Each Friday that we are in school, the cadets will be required to wear the PT uniform and participate in PT activities. The wear of the PT uniform on PT days is evaluated as part of their participation for that day.
4) Other uniforms may be issued to the cadets as they become available and necessary. Their purpose and use will be specified at the time of issue.
5) Care and maintenance of all uniforms is the responsibility of the cadet. If any uniform is damaged or lost through willful acts or neglect on the part of the cadet, the cadet may be responsible for the cost to replace the uniform. All uniforms are expected to be turned in at the end of the school year or if the cadet leaves the programs prior to the end of the year. Cadets and their parents will be responsible for the cost of any uniform item that is not turned in on time.
c. A semester test will be given at the end of each semester. The test will cover a variety of all the material learned during the semester. The test will be primarily multiple-choice with the possibility of matching items, such as rank insignias. The semester test will be on a 25 to 50 point scale and will count as 20 percent of the cadet’s final semester grade. The Putnam City School District requires every class to have a final semester test that is 20 percent of the final semester grade for each student.
d. A nine weeks test will be given at the end of the first half of the semester. It will cover a variety of the material learned during the first nine weeks. It will be primarily multiple-choice and will be between 10 and 25 questions. It will count as 10 percent of the final semester grade. Periodic quizzes may be administered to check the cadets’ knowledge during the semester. These quizzes will be 5 to 10 questions about specific segments of the curriculum. The quizzes will never be worth more than 10 points and will be combined with the nine weeks test to count as 10 percent of the cadet’s final semester grade.
3. PHYSICAL TRAINING. Cadets will be expected to participate in physical training each Friday they are in school. Cadets will never be asked to do anything that they are not medically or physically capable of doing. They will be asked to challenge themselves and achieve more than they have before. Each week the physical training will consist of warm up and stretching exercises and either a physical assessment, a team sport, circuit training (with or without weights), or an obstacle course. At least once during each nine weeks, the cadets will be assessed on their physical conditioning using the Cadet Challenge. The Cadet Challenge is a series of 5 events that test strength, flexibility, speed, and endurance. There are different scoring tables based on gender and age. Cadets will be encouraged to do their best and will only be compared to their own previous performances. Cadets will become familiar with different physical fitness activities and techniques that they can use for the rest of their lives.
4. AWARDS AND RECOGNITION. Cadets will have many opportunities to earn awards and other forms of recognition.
a. Awards. Throughout the school year, cadets will have the opportunity to earn JROTC awards. Most of these awards are ribbons that are worn on the Class A and Class B uniforms. Some of these awards are earned for specific events or a series of events. Some others are earned for performance over a period of time. There are several that are sponsored by outside organizations, such as the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), etc. Some of the awards are badges, such as marksmanship badges. These badges can only be earned through achieving a specified score in an official marksmanship competition with one or more other schools. Some awards are shoulder cords of various colors that represent membership on a competitive team, such as color guard or drill teams. The cords are earned through competition with one or more other schools. All of these awards are provided to the cadet by the Army or by the outside organization.
b. Rank. Cadets start the program with no rank. During a cadet’s first year in the JROTC program, they will most often be promoted based on achieving a minimum of 70 percent on their nine weeks and semester tests. Infrequently, a cadet may show leadership or other positive attributes that earn them a promotion to a higher rank in addition to that received due to their knowledge of the curriculum, especially if there is a need to fill a leadership position. After the first year, cadets are promoted to higher ranks based on their knowledge, ability, and willingness to perform at a higher level. The instructors will make the promotions, but will use feedback from the cadet chain of command to aid in this decision. Cadets may be demoted if they fail to maintain a “C” in all of their classes or if they fail to uphold the standards of the program and the school district.
c. Other forms of recognition. Cadets will often be highlighted in the daily announcements at the school due to performance at a specific event. Some cadets may be recognized by school public relations personnel and local media. Cadets will not be specified by name in these notices without specific written consent from a parent or guardian. Cadets may be given letters of recommendation by the instructors for employment, college acceptance or college scholarship applications.
5. EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES. There are many opportunities for cadets to participate in extracurricular activities. The majority of these require the cadets to participate and/or practice either before or after school or on Saturday. Some of these activities include: marksmanship, color guard, drill teams (armed and unarmed), saber teams, spirit squad, academic teams, fundraising, community service, and staff assignments.
a. Marksmanship matches may be part of a larger competitive event or may be a stand-alone event with one or more other schools. These will often either be on Saturday or after school on a school day. Sometimes they may be scheduled during the school day if no other alternative can be found. The marksmanship program utilizes carbon dioxide (CO2) or compressed air powered, .177 caliber air rifles, provided by the Army. The school has graciously provided a dedicated space for our program to use as a firing range for the air rifles. There is a dedicated marksmanship class that began with the fall semester of 2015. A limited number of cadets who complete the first year of the program, and show an aptitude for it, may be invited to enroll in that class if it fits into their schedule. Other cadets who show an aptitude for marksmanship will be allowed to practice before or after school on certain days of each week. Even with the dedicated marksmanship class, cadets must practice before or after school, once or twice a week, to be competitive.
b. Marksmanship, color guard, drill, and academic team competitions will most often be scheduled on Saturdays. To be competitive, cadets must practice before and/or after school. There are normally 2 of these competitions in the fall, one in Wichita Falls, TX and one in Lawton, OK. There are normally two of these in the spring, one in Oklahoma City and one in Tulsa. These can be an all-day event with multiple different competitions going on throughout the day.
c. Color guard and saber guard may be performed at home football and basketball games or at other events in the metro OKC area. There could be 30 or more of these each school year. Some of these events allow the cadets to participate in the supported event and interact with other organizations, such as the school board, college ROTC cadets and instructors, athletic activities and other organizations.
d. Fundraising. The JROTC program will conduct at least one fundraising event during each semester. All cadets are encouraged to participate, but no one is required to participate. Events will vary and cadet involvement in the choice of a fundraising event is encouraged and welcome. The primary purpose for all fundraising events is to pay for all of the expenses of a formal Awards Banquet for the JROTC program. The banquet serves 2 main purposes: one is to give the cadets the experience of planning, organizing and participating in a formal military dinner, and the other is to recognize the cadets for everything that they do during the school year. The Awards Banquet will normally be held in the spring and could include a dance afterwards. The cadets will be allowed to invite guests to include family, friends and significant others.
e. Community Service. The JROTC program will participate in at least one community service project each school year. All cadets are encouraged to participate in the planning and conduct of these events, but no one is required to participate outside of school hours. There are hundreds of possible organizations and activities that the cadets could work with to positively impact the community that our school serves. Parent involvement is also encouraged and welcome in the planning and conduct of these events.
6. DISCIPLINE. The Army JROTC program is not a discipline program for the school or the school district. The instructors work closely with the principal and other administrators and teachers in ensuring that the school and everyone in it act appropriately. There are times when cadets are not following the rules of the JROTC program. As long as those rules are not in conflict with the school or district rules, the instructors and the cadet chain of command will use some disciplinary measures to correct inappropriate behavior. District and school rules and regulations take precedence over the JROTC rules and regulations regarding cadet discipline. Cadets that are acting in a manner that is unbecoming of the U.S. Army will be counselled, and may be reduced in rank or asked to transfer to another elective class if the behavior is serious or continues uncorrected.
7. INSTRUCTORS. Our Army JROTC program has two instructors. Senior Army Instructor (SAI) is Lieutenant Colonel (Retired) Jimmy Thomas, [email protected], 405-787-1140, extension 2462. Army Instructor (AI) is Command Sergeant Major (Retired) Clint Anderson, [email protected], 405-787-1140, extension 2363. You may contact us at any time to ask questions or give us feedback on our program. We don’t sit at our desks much, so e-mail is the best way to reach us. We will be happy to call you to discuss any questions or concerns you have. We would also like to get a group of dedicated parents together to form a JROTC Booster Club in the near future. E-mail me if you are interested and I will give you more details.